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Comments on: Nostalgia & The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy http://writerresponsetheory.org/wordpress/2005/05/02/nostalgia-the-hitchhikers-guide-to-the-galaxy/ a blog and podcast dedicated to discussing text arts forms Tue, 12 Dec 2017 17:58:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 en Writer Response Theory 2004-2005 wrt@writerresponsetheory.org (Writer Response Theory) wrt@writerresponsetheory.org Talk Radio Comment-cast: Nostalgia & The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy Comment-cast: Nostalgia & The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy Writer Response Theory Writer Response Theory wrt@writerresponsetheory.org http://writerresponsetheory.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/iTWRT.JPG WRT: Writer Response Theory http://writerresponsetheory.org/wordpress 144 144 by: Jeremy Douglass http://writerresponsetheory.org/wordpress/2005/05/02/nostalgia-the-hitchhikers-guide-to-the-galaxy/#comment-137 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://writerresponsetheory.org/wordpress/2005/05/02/nostalgia-the-hitchhikers-guide-to-the-galaxy/#comment-137 Good choice of comic as a moment for commentary :) Here are some thoughts:<br /> <br /> I'm interested in your idea that The Guide as electronic literature's first "book-within-a" ... although some might argue that computers-within-computers are more significant. What I find most compelling about the Guide as a kind of transmedia emblem is that it is random access media - a form friendly in a way to the short episodic structure of the radio plays, the IF, and even the books. The movie is the medium furthest from the nature of HGTTG in this reading, being the least interrupted and interruptable - whereas HGTTG is a universe of constant interruption. On the other hand, I saw it in a darkened theater - if I had simply bought the DVD and flipped through the "chapters" I might feel differently.<br /> <br /> I really like your proposal that the guide, like Neuromancer, tapped into a collective fantasy / vision of the future. That would be my answer to your comment exchange about the predictive nature of science fiction - in part, the world community of scientists and engineers may have glimpsed in the guide a dream that they then sought to make real.<br /> <br /> My original observation: the Guide is popular not because it is intricate but because it is cheap and user-friendly. To the extent that it is comprehensive, this is not because it employs trained staff, but because being a stringer is fun and involves lots of drinking. In other words, the Yahoo of the mid 90s was modeled more on the Encyclopedia Galactica - the Guide is a bit of Lonely Planet with a healthy dose of Everything2. Snow Crash was a bit closer to getting it right, I think, in more closely resembling wikipedia....<br /> Deprecated: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is deprecated, use preg_replace_callback instead in /home/writerresponse/writerresponsetheory.org/wordpress/wp-includes/functions-formatting.php on line 76

Good choice of comic as a moment for commentary :) Here are some thoughts:

I’m interested in your idea that The Guide as electronic literature’s first “book-within-a” … although some might argue that computers-within-computers are more significant. What I find most compelling about the Guide as a kind of transmedia emblem is that it is random access media - a form friendly in a way to the short episodic structure of the radio plays, the IF, and even the books. The movie is the medium furthest from the nature of HGTTG in this reading, being the least interrupted and interruptable - whereas HGTTG is a universe of constant interruption. On the other hand, I saw it in a darkened theater - if I had simply bought the DVD and flipped through the “chapters” I might feel differently.

I really like your proposal that the guide, like Neuromancer, tapped into a collective fantasy / vision of the future. That would be my answer to your comment exchange about the predictive nature of science fiction - in part, the world community of scientists and engineers may have glimpsed in the guide a dream that they then sought to make real.

My original observation: the Guide is popular not because it is intricate but because it is cheap and user-friendly. To the extent that it is comprehensive, this is not because it employs trained staff, but because being a stringer is fun and involves lots of drinking. In other words, the Yahoo of the mid 90s was modeled more on the Encyclopedia Galactica - the Guide is a bit of Lonely Planet with a healthy dose of Everything2. Snow Crash was a bit closer to getting it right, I think, in more closely resembling wikipedia….

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Jeremy Douglass Good choice of comic as a moment for commentary :) Here are some thoughts: I'm interested in your idea that The ... Good choice of comic as a moment for commentary :) Here are some thoughts: I'm interested in your idea that The ...
by: Mark Marino http://writerresponsetheory.org/wordpress/2005/05/02/nostalgia-the-hitchhikers-guide-to-the-galaxy/#comment-136 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://writerresponsetheory.org/wordpress/2005/05/02/nostalgia-the-hitchhikers-guide-to-the-galaxy/#comment-136 Wow, what an excellent response regarding the Transmedial nature of HHGTTG.<br /> <br /> I was also intrigued by your assertion:<br /> <blockquote><br /> As a sci-fi writer of sorts I believe that alot of sci-fi writers have an 'understanding' of present society. The relating of possible futures is to show how if the present continues without alternative action the future will be like this...<br /> </blockquote><br /> <br /> I know this is a bit of hero-worship, but it still seems like sometimes people get it right, uncannily so, such as the Guide itself. You're right that "the Guide" doesn't precede other ideas for electronic books, but I wonder if it expresses it with a certain <a href="http://www.directactionjournal.org/tippingpoint.html">stickiness,</a> and then re-expressed it in the next-best thing (IF). <br /> <br /> Of course, I think Adams missed the mark sometimes, too. I seem to remember a passage of Dirk Gently that parodies the GUI interface of MacIntoshes, replacing "folders" with an animated flock of birds that swoops when you open a file. The parody was interesting, but I found it to be a less productive moment in the slipstream.<br /> <br /> Again, this is a little bit of Monday-morning Hitchhiking, in the whimsical speculation on why some works hold our imagination so.<br /> Deprecated: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is deprecated, use preg_replace_callback instead in /home/writerresponse/writerresponsetheory.org/wordpress/wp-includes/functions-formatting.php on line 76

Wow, what an excellent response regarding the Transmedial nature of HHGTTG.

I was also intrigued by your assertion:

As a sci-fi writer of sorts I believe that alot of sci-fi writers have an ‘understanding’ of present society. The relating of possible futures is to show how if the present continues without alternative action the future will be like this…

I know this is a bit of hero-worship, but it still seems like sometimes people get it right, uncannily so, such as the Guide itself. You’re right that “the Guide” doesn’t precede other ideas for electronic books, but I wonder if it expresses it with a certain stickiness, and then re-expressed it in the next-best thing (IF).

Of course, I think Adams missed the mark sometimes, too. I seem to remember a passage of Dirk Gently that parodies the GUI interface of MacIntoshes, replacing “folders” with an animated flock of birds that swoops when you open a file. The parody was interesting, but I found it to be a less productive moment in the slipstream.

Again, this is a little bit of Monday-morning Hitchhiking, in the whimsical speculation on why some works hold our imagination so.

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Mark Marino Wow, what an excellent response regarding the Transmedial nature of HHGTTG. I was also intrigued by your assertion: As a sci-fi writer ... Wow, what an excellent response regarding the Transmedial nature of HHGTTG. I was also intrigued by your assertion: As a sci-fi writer ...
by: Christy Dena http://writerresponsetheory.org/wordpress/2005/05/02/nostalgia-the-hitchhikers-guide-to-the-galaxy/#comment-135 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://writerresponsetheory.org/wordpress/2005/05/02/nostalgia-the-hitchhikers-guide-to-the-galaxy/#comment-135 I just wrote a long response but when I clicked 'send' it disappeared because of one error. $##%$@!!<br /> <br /> So, take 2. <br /> <br /> Hey Mark, some interesting points. Yes, HHGTTG is a cross-media work. But just what type I can't say because I don't have a name for it yet. It is clear that the original work displays the qualities of what Lizbeth Klastrup and Susana Tosca term 'transmedial worlds':<br /> <blockquote>Transmedial worlds are abstract content systems from which a repertoire of fictional stories and characters can be actualized or derived across a variety of media forms. What characterises a transmedial world is that audience and designers share a mental image of the ?worldness? (a number of distinguishing features of its universe). The idea of a specific world?s worldness mostly originates from the first version of the world presented, but can be elaborated and changed over time. Quite often the world has a cult (fan) following across media as well.</blockquote><br /> Klastrup, L. and S. Tosca (2004) 'Transmedial worlds - rethinking cyberworld design' presented at <em>Proceedings International Conference on Cyberworlds 2004</em>, IEEEE Computer Society, Los Alamitos, California, published by Klastrup Cataclysms [Online] <a href="http://www.itu.dk/people/klastrup/klastruptosca_transworlds.pdf">[pdf]</a><br /> <br /> Then your point, question, about the relationship between authorial vision and technological invention. As a sci-fi writer of sorts I believe that alot of sci-fi writers have an 'understanding' of present society. The relating of possible futures is to show how if the present continues without alternative action the future will be like this... But not all writers are like this, including Douglas Adams:<br /> <blockquote>When I originally described The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, over twenty years ago, I was only joking. I didn't see myself as a predictive kind of science fiction writer...</blockquote><br /> I also think that writers in general, and inventors, all access a 'slipstream' of sorts where the same information is 'accessed' by many at the same time. How many times have you thought of something and seen it brought out a few months later? I have. What do they say: it takes 3? I think we all just take turns: you can have this one or I'll take this one. <br /> <br /> It must be acknowledged too that nothing comes out of thin air. Ideas come from a simmering pot of the past and present: people, culture, devices, trees... I see this in academia too: we study the same texts and add a dash of our own unique readings, we live in the same mediated world but have our own interpretations, our own experiences and physiological reactions. Of course there are going to be many people researching the same thing at the same time around the globe. <br /> <br /> But anyway, I'll stop rambling now. I explained this alot better the first time 'round!<br /> <br /> Incidently, here is a <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/">Guide</a> you can contribute too:<br /> <blockquote>h2g2 is an unconventional guide to life, the universe and everything, an encyclopaedic project where entries are written by people from all over the world.</blockquote> Deprecated: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is deprecated, use preg_replace_callback instead in /home/writerresponse/writerresponsetheory.org/wordpress/wp-includes/functions-formatting.php on line 76

I just wrote a long response but when I clicked ’send’ it disappeared because of one error. $##%$@!!

So, take 2.

Hey Mark, some interesting points. Yes, HHGTTG is a cross-media work. But just what type I can’t say because I don’t have a name for it yet. It is clear that the original work displays the qualities of what Lizbeth Klastrup and Susana Tosca term ‘transmedial worlds’:

Transmedial worlds are abstract content systems from which a repertoire of fictional stories and characters can be actualized or derived across a variety of media forms. What characterises a transmedial world is that audience and designers share a mental image of the ?worldness? (a number of distinguishing features of its universe). The idea of a specific world?s worldness mostly originates from the first version of the world presented, but can be elaborated and changed over time. Quite often the world has a cult (fan) following across media as well.

Klastrup, L. and S. Tosca (2004) ‘Transmedial worlds - rethinking cyberworld design’ presented at Proceedings International Conference on Cyberworlds 2004, IEEEE Computer Society, Los Alamitos, California, published by Klastrup Cataclysms [Online] [pdf]

Then your point, question, about the relationship between authorial vision and technological invention. As a sci-fi writer of sorts I believe that alot of sci-fi writers have an ‘understanding’ of present society. The relating of possible futures is to show how if the present continues without alternative action the future will be like this… But not all writers are like this, including Douglas Adams:

When I originally described The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, over twenty years ago, I was only joking. I didn’t see myself as a predictive kind of science fiction writer…

I also think that writers in general, and inventors, all access a ’slipstream’ of sorts where the same information is ‘accessed’ by many at the same time. How many times have you thought of something and seen it brought out a few months later? I have. What do they say: it takes 3? I think we all just take turns: you can have this one or I’ll take this one.

It must be acknowledged too that nothing comes out of thin air. Ideas come from a simmering pot of the past and present: people, culture, devices, trees… I see this in academia too: we study the same texts and add a dash of our own unique readings, we live in the same mediated world but have our own interpretations, our own experiences and physiological reactions. Of course there are going to be many people researching the same thing at the same time around the globe.

But anyway, I’ll stop rambling now. I explained this alot better the first time ’round!

Incidently, here is a Guide you can contribute too:

h2g2 is an unconventional guide to life, the universe and everything, an encyclopaedic project where entries are written by people from all over the world.

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Christy Dena I just wrote a long response but when I clicked 'send' it disappeared because of one error. $##%$@!! So, take 2. ... I just wrote a long response but when I clicked 'send' it disappeared because of one error. $##%$@!! So, take 2. ...