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Comments on: Hayles Talk http://writerresponsetheory.org/wordpress/2005/10/22/hayles-talk/ a blog and podcast dedicated to discussing text arts forms Thu, 14 Dec 2017 13:12:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 en Writer Response Theory 2004-2005 wrt@writerresponsetheory.org (Writer Response Theory) wrt@writerresponsetheory.org Talk Radio Comment-cast: Hayles Talk Comment-cast: Hayles Talk Writer Response Theory Writer Response Theory wrt@writerresponsetheory.org http://writerresponsetheory.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/iTWRT.JPG WRT: Writer Response Theory http://writerresponsetheory.org/wordpress 144 144 by: Jeremy Douglass http://writerresponsetheory.org/wordpress/2005/10/22/hayles-talk/#comment-612 Fri, 04 Nov 2005 01:23:30 +0000 http://writerresponsetheory.org/wordpress/2005/10/22/hayles-talk/#comment-612 Mark, I've dug up some notes from that event, which I'm including below. I think I sent this to you last October - were they published on the global interfaces site, or something like that? If so, we could just link to the write-up there. <strong>A Space for aLiving: Notes on Hayles' "Means and Metaphors"</strong> Living in Computational Spaces: Means and Metaphors <em>N. Katherine Hayles</em> English and Design/Media Arts, UCLA Hosted by University of California, Riverside Monday, October 4, 2004 12:00-1:30 PM Kate Hayles spoke to a full room of about 75 people on UCR campus as the inaugural talk in a series on the "global interface." Series organizer and digital artist Mark Marino is a graduate student at UCR, and he got in touch with me to invite me to the event. Although the talk was advertised as "My Mother was a Computer" (the name of the Hayles book forthcoming in 2005), Kate Hayles performed two of the moves almost expected of influential thinkers caught in the midst of a major book project - she changed her title at the last moment and she spoke somewhat orthoginally to the "global interface" concept that is to guide the series. Before Hayles spoke, the series introduction sketched a brief riff on the theme "what is the global interface?" Some answeres included: - The cosmopolitan potential of networked connectivity - Social bonds unconstrained by physical spaces, (yet) - Interface localized at point of connection of a real body to a network Translated into a rally chant, that would be: We are material, we are potential, and we will be unconstrained! The tone was culturally progressive, socially optimisitic, body-positive, and a bit euphoric about the kind of globalism that aides knowledge work (as opposed to the kind that lays off steel workers). When you struggle with a Google News addiction that fuels political depression the way I do, euphoria is great. Only my political action committees and open source discussion groups periodically assuage my fears with reassurances that we are marching onwards towards victory, so a little positity from academia is always welcome. [ed.: elections on Nov. 2, 2004 elections confirmed the fears alluded to here] However Hayles' new title, "Living in Computational Spaces" indicated the nature of her disconnect with the kind of post-colonial cultural rubric that might be implied by the phrase "global interface." For Hayles, her area of investigation was not the extent to which digital human-machine interfaces circulated in culture per say, but the extent to which our cultures assumed reality itself to be digital - did physics function algorithmically? Was the cosmic substrate binary "all the way down"? Whether or not it was, what would our belief in reality mean to us and about us? Obviously, "our belief" depends on cultural context, and Hayles was interested specifically in the findings and explanations of top (or pop) mathematicians, physicists, and engineers, when considered in resonance with avant guard narrative and digital art. Indeed, Toby Miller's introduction focused on Kate Hayles as scholar who "combines epistemological approaches both from the inside and the outside," a kind of "disciminating magpie" whose forays across disciplines had left her with "many pasts, both dark and light." These discriminating tastes are what draw me to her work and make her such a wonderful conduit between academic departments that often struggle to communicate. The discrimination is also the reason that Hayles can make it through a packed talk on "Living in Computational Spaces" without making a single reference to the recent "Matrix" film trilogy. Gratuitous "Matrix" references are left as an excercise to the reader, should one wish to re-present the key questions to one's undergraduate seminar and justify them with a pop icon. Hayles commented beforehand that her talk was a reworking a spring keynote delivered for the 2004 UC Digital Cultures Graduate Conference at the UCLA Hammer Museum. I co-organized that conference with literature and eLiterature scholar Jessica Pressman, and the lecture that Hayles gave on the nature of complexity in science and literature became a touchstone for two days of interesting discussions. My audience-neighbor for both the UCLA and UCR events was digital artist, scholar, and creative writing instructor Noah Wardrip-Fruin, a graduate student at Brown University. He commented afterward that the progression in Hayles presentations from the first to the second event was striking, and I felt the same. Certainly the focus for Hayles in her second talk shifted away from interrogating the condition of complexity as technique in science and art and towards investigating the uses of complexity as "means and metaphor" -- the preconditions necessary for complexity to arise as an emergent phenomenon and the struggle to understand systems from the inside out by modeling or describing them in terms of complexity. Deprecated: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is deprecated, use preg_replace_callback instead in /home/writerresponse/writerresponsetheory.org/wordpress/wp-includes/functions-formatting.php on line 76

Mark, I’ve dug up some notes from that event, which I’m including below. I think I sent this to you last October - were they published on the global interfaces site, or something like that? If so, we could just link to the write-up there.

A Space for aLiving: Notes on Hayles’ “Means and Metaphors”

Living in Computational Spaces: Means and Metaphors
N. Katherine Hayles
English and Design/Media Arts, UCLA
Hosted by University of California, Riverside
Monday, October 4, 2004 12:00-1:30 PM

Kate Hayles spoke to a full room of about 75 people on UCR campus as the inaugural talk in a series on the “global interface.” Series organizer and digital artist Mark Marino is a graduate student at UCR, and he got in touch with me to invite me to the event. Although the talk was advertised as “My Mother was a Computer” (the name of the Hayles book forthcoming in 2005), Kate Hayles performed two of the moves almost expected of influential thinkers caught in the midst of a major book project - she changed her title at the last moment and she spoke somewhat orthoginally to the “global interface” concept that is to guide the series.

Before Hayles spoke, the series introduction sketched a brief riff on the theme “what is the global interface?” Some answeres included:

- The cosmopolitan potential of networked connectivity
- Social bonds unconstrained by physical spaces, (yet)
- Interface localized at point of connection of a real body to a network

Translated into a rally chant, that would be: We are material, we are potential, and we will be unconstrained! The tone was culturally progressive, socially optimisitic, body-positive, and a bit euphoric about the kind of globalism that aides knowledge work (as opposed to the kind that lays off steel workers). When you struggle with a Google News addiction that fuels political depression the way I do, euphoria is great. Only my political action committees and open source discussion groups periodically assuage my fears with reassurances that we are marching onwards towards victory, so a little positity from academia is always welcome.

[ed.: elections on Nov. 2, 2004 elections confirmed the fears alluded to here]

However Hayles’ new title, “Living in Computational Spaces” indicated the nature of her disconnect with the kind of post-colonial cultural rubric that might be implied by the phrase “global interface.” For Hayles, her area of investigation was not the extent to which digital human-machine interfaces circulated in culture per say, but the extent to which our cultures assumed reality itself to be digital - did physics function algorithmically? Was the cosmic substrate binary “all the way down”? Whether or not it was, what would our belief in reality mean to us and about us?

Obviously, “our belief” depends on cultural context, and Hayles was interested specifically in the findings and explanations of top (or pop) mathematicians, physicists, and engineers, when considered in resonance with avant guard narrative and digital art. Indeed, Toby Miller’s introduction focused on Kate Hayles as scholar who “combines epistemological approaches both from the inside and the outside,” a kind of “disciminating magpie” whose forays across disciplines had left her with “many pasts, both dark and light.”

These discriminating tastes are what draw me to her work and make her such a wonderful conduit between academic departments that often struggle to communicate. The discrimination is also the reason that Hayles can make it through a packed talk on “Living in Computational Spaces” without making a single reference to the recent “Matrix” film trilogy. Gratuitous “Matrix” references are left as an excercise to the reader, should one wish to re-present the key questions to one’s undergraduate seminar and justify them with a pop icon.

Hayles commented beforehand that her talk was a reworking a spring keynote delivered for the 2004 UC Digital Cultures Graduate Conference at the UCLA Hammer Museum. I co-organized that conference with literature and eLiterature scholar Jessica Pressman, and the lecture that Hayles gave on the nature of complexity in science and literature became a touchstone for two days of interesting discussions.

My audience-neighbor for both the UCLA and UCR events was digital artist, scholar, and creative writing instructor Noah Wardrip-Fruin, a graduate student at Brown University. He commented afterward that the progression in Hayles presentations from the first to the second event was striking, and I felt the same. Certainly the focus for Hayles in her second talk shifted away from interrogating the condition of complexity as technique in science and art and towards investigating the uses of complexity as “means and metaphor” — the preconditions necessary for complexity to arise as an emergent phenomenon and the struggle to understand systems from the inside out by modeling or describing them in terms of complexity.

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Jeremy Douglass Mark, I've dug up some notes from that event, which I'm including below. I think I sent this to you ... Mark, I've dug up some notes from that event, which I'm including below. I think I sent this to you ...
by: Mark Marino http://writerresponsetheory.org/wordpress/2005/10/22/hayles-talk/#comment-573 Sat, 22 Oct 2005 21:51:26 +0000 http://writerresponsetheory.org/wordpress/2005/10/22/hayles-talk/#comment-573 Thanks, Christy, Jeremy and I have seen a related talk at <a href="http://globalinterface.blogspot.com/2004_09_01_globalinterface_archive.html" rel="nofollow">UC Riverside</a> and at UCLA. In it, she positioned her latest book as the third in her trilogy: <em>How We Became Posthuman and </em><em>Writing Machines.</em> Her premise of the computational universe is also the culmination of three stages (or "seriations") of developments related to cybernetic systems since Norbert Wiener and the Macy Group (first wave, second wave, and virtuality). What impresses me most to this day, aside from her eloquence, is the way that the computational universe has marked a paradigm shift for her, an epistemological change that has left her seeing a different world, as computed. I wonder if you or anyone following this thread feel impacted at such a core level by any such visions of the makeup of our world. (Somewhere I have notes from the talk that I can post.) Deprecated: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is deprecated, use preg_replace_callback instead in /home/writerresponse/writerresponsetheory.org/wordpress/wp-includes/functions-formatting.php on line 76

Thanks, Christy,
Jeremy and I have seen a related talk at UC Riverside and at UCLA. In it, she positioned her latest book as the third in her trilogy: How We Became Posthuman and Writing Machines.

Her premise of the computational universe is also the culmination of three stages (or “seriations”) of developments related to cybernetic systems since Norbert Wiener and the Macy Group (first wave, second wave, and virtuality).

What impresses me most to this day, aside from her eloquence, is the way that the computational universe has marked a paradigm shift for her, an epistemological change that has left her seeing a different world, as computed. I wonder if you or anyone following this thread feel impacted at such a core level by any such visions of the makeup of our world.

(Somewhere I have notes from the talk that I can post.)

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Mark Marino Thanks, Christy, Jeremy and I have seen a related talk at UC Riverside and at UCLA. In it, ... Thanks, Christy, Jeremy and I have seen a related talk at UC Riverside and at UCLA. In it, ...